Youth stamp 1997 in two perforations!
The sheet of 10 of NVPH no. 1733 exists in 2 different perforations. The 13¼:12¾ listed in the catalogue (24 horizontal teeth per stamp) and the unlisted 14:12¾ (25 horizontal teeth per stamp).
I discovered these differences as early as the day of issue, September 2, 1997. On this day, I bought two sheets of 10 and a single stamp from a sheet of 100 at the post office in my hometown. The single stamp and a sheet for my collection, and a sheet for franking. Upon arriving home, I compared the single stamp with the stamps in the sheets and noticed that the perforations were different. I thought at the time that having two different perforations was supposed to be like that, just like with a number of children's stamps from around 1990. The sheets of those also have a different perforation than the sheets of 100. So, one sheet went into the collection, and I tore another single stamp from the second sheet, also for my collection. I used the remaining nine stamps for franking. After a few months, I had about 30 cancelled copies, only one of which had perforation 14:12¾. I found that strange, because stamps from sheets of 10 are usually more common than stamps from a sheet of 100. Then it suddenly occurred to me that the sheet of 10 might well have existed in two different perforations, just like the NVPH sheet no. 1571-1572 from 1993. In early 1998, I bought another sheet at the same post office on a whim. And indeed, it had a different perforation. But it struck me that the perforation of my first purchased sheet was never listed in the catalogues. Has this discovery not been made by someone else yet? Four years ago, I told this story to a dealer friend who was a member of the NVPH. I took the stamps and sheets along once so he could examine them and measure the perforation. He immediately sent an email from his shop containing these perforation differences to a member of the NVPH catalogue committee. Subsequently, he never heard anything about it again, and the perforation is still not listed in the catalogs.
The small sheets of 10 stamps in my possession all have the same perforation, namely 13¼:12¾, with 24 horizontal teeth.
I have the following etching numbers L/R1111, L/R1211, L/R2322, L/R2323.
The sheets were purchased over a long period, extending years after issue. They are mint condition.
Stamps in my possession, from the large counter sheets of 100 stamps, also have perforation 13¼:12¾, 24 horizontal teeth.
I have not found any stamps with 25 horizontal teeth.
It is handy, after all, that we have a Special Catalogue in the Netherlands. At least it doesn't contain everything, despite the title of the booklet.
But yeah, that's unfortunately old news.
JHA. A special catalog does not need to contain everything. All data has been provided by others, so one is dependent on the available stock, from which a choice must then also be made.
'@AadB
So what you are saying now is pure bullshit. If you read Lars’s story, the NVPH was aware of it for quite some time! And did nothing about it, just like with almost all new cases. Reading a Monthly Magazine column is, of course, too much effort in these times of crisis…
A Special Catalogue should contain a great deal that a stamp collector – not just a filler – might come across. No Postage Paid stickers or fake engraved stamp imitations!
If the NVPH were only publishing a junior catalogue, I could live with the lack of depth….
But then again, the NVPH has a higher opinion of itself and has therefore been happily mulling over its laurels for well over 80 years...
Why don't individual members of the NVPH bring more life into this dull mess??? What does membership offer other than being allowed to place a quality mark on the shop window?
Lars had already told me the story of these stamps before, but I am glad now that he has the scoop himself!!
'@Aad B
Given the CatCom's setup, it is naturally logical that the Catalogue is primarily not compiled through personal observation. Always remaining dependent on data provided by others—in that case, verification apparently no longer needs to take place. How, then, can one make a responsible choice?
It explains a lot.
Thanks Rein!
By the way, have you found a few stamps or sheets yet?
'@Lars
Unfortunately, not a single one 😉
Rein, who says the members have no input? It is just like a democracy: what the majority wants, and listening to the minority. Why no postage paid? You see them more and more, and they are clearly issued by TNT. Manufacturing (collectible) items yourself—what is wrong with that? It is a (commercial) organization run by (volunteers). Who is denying the commentators the right to manufacture something themselves as a counterpart to the NVPH (they know it all so well, don't they)? Where does the majority's interest lie, and where do others drop out due to the complexity? It is easy to shout from the sidelines, but just try doing it yourself. The number of members in associations is declining over the years; just try finding free board members who still enjoy putting in the effort while receiving comments from others who do nothing.
'@Aad B
A stamp dealer is indeed a “real” volunteer who ensures that his or her wallet is well-filled. Why does an NVPH dealer need expertise? They are professional volunteers, aren't they?
'@AadB
It is a handful (50 of them?) of guys [old geezers] who, based on merit, effectively dictate to a group of 30.000 Dutch collectors from ages ago what is collectible and what is not.
Anything not listed in the catalogue is not collected because it is not accepted by KNBF exhibitions, is not purchased if a collection needs to be sold at some point, etc.
Long live democracy! Well, just like The Hague listens to what is going on in the country – people have a drink, they take a pee, and everything stays the way it was!
Aad, you're doing a fantastic job with your personalized stamps! Drag those other merchants out of their hibernation!
Rein, that's all I do, and thanks for the compliment. The personal seal is gaining ground and is being embraced in many places by people who wanted to quit.
Most of the 'trade' is, of course, in the classics. But fortunately, there was a certain Aad who recognized the potential of the personalized stamp early on. When many people stopped collecting around 2000 and the guilder/euro era, there were a number who did move with the times. That is already a 'long' time ago now. Since then, many non-collectors have often come into contact with these stamps with surprising results. Now they travel all over the world. Just 5 minutes ago I bought personalized Dutch MJ stamps! (yes, they exist!) It is good to think contrarian and/or counter-cyclically from time to time. That keeps you alert, and you certainly need to be in the world of stamps. You have trendsetters and trend followers. Aad is such a trendsetter. I have been following Aad for years, but have never bought anything from him. (I already have almost everything...) Just recently I bid 160 euros for such a sheet, but well, the bid was too low. Fortunately, I already had a duplicate of the sheet. Unfortunately, the catalog fails in this area. The trade simply missed that boat. Aad didn't. That is why those who didn't miss the boat need to keep each other informed about what is going on. (They already do this occasionally anyway.) In any case, I have quite a few examples on my website. Kind regards, Johan (postzegelforum.nl)
I have a lot of those stamps
about 500
I'm going to count the teeth.
might take a while hahaha
but if I find something
I'll let you know
Don't you have a tooth gauge?
Usually, you can get one for free somewhere.
Personal stamps… Yes, of course everyone is free to decide which stamps to include in their collection. In any case, they won't be going into mine.
I find it more than logical that not all of them will be included in the catalogue. That would be an impossible task. Which ones should you include and which should you leave out? I can understand including all stamps issued by TNT, but in a separate chapter!
But those MJ stamps, everyone knows they were made by someone just trying to make money off them. And that way, you can have anything printed on a stamp.
Of course, not all of those stamps can fit in; it is only about the main groups, the types of stamps issued in certain years. Those MJ sheets cost 6 euros per sheet. I paid 6,05 for them. So, after deducting the eBay fees, the seller lost money on it. eBay only made a profit, and I have cheap sheets and don't have to go to The Hague, Rotterdam, or Nijmegen now. Personal stamps are part of my Netherlands collection. So, for me, they belong there. Best regards, Johan 🙂
no unfortunately
I am already counting, though.
but haven't found anything yet
Two months ago, I got 3 full grocery bags from someone.
bought with Dutch stamps for 10 euros
and this stamp was included in massive quantities in it
I found them quite boring after the umpteenth one
but this adds a whole new dimension to the stamp
I'll go look for a meter.
Now that you mention it, I also have a bag full of unsoaked NL. I completely forgot! I'll go look for it tomorrow!
@Lars, who knows what else you might find! Good luck with your search.
I found my first one
Beautiful!
Do you perhaps also know where and when the stamp was postmarked?
Leidschendam 22 v 98-22
I am still searching
Hi
I was wondering if anyone has found a few more of these stamps and/or sheets with perforation 14:12¾ yet.
'@Lars,
last, last none 14:123/4!
If you happen to have a few too many……(?):ojkwats@gmail.com
Hi Lars
Unfortunately, I only recently found a seal with 25 teeth.
I'm nowhere near halfway there, so what hasn't happened yet might still happen..
But today I did find two stamps that are positioned incorrectly on the paper; there is much more white space on the right side than on the left.
Have you learned more about the perforation yet?
Greetings Linda
‘@Linda
Unfortunately, I still only have one stamped copy.
The two other stamps you have are not positioned incorrectly on the paper. The perforation is placed slightly too far to the right.
@OJ Quartz
So unfortunately…
'@lars
Yes, indeed, the perforation is in the wrong place.
(a bit stupid hahhaha)
Maybe there is only one sheet, that sheet you put in the mail..
I just leafed through the new catalogue today…
Of course, no mention again!
And once again, no mention this year!
The dealers on the NVPH catalogue committee certainly do not have enough in their own stock yet…
The various types of Beatrix stamps from 2002 are not included again either. Even though these have been known for years?!
Well, a small effort for a big business, you might say. And then the stamps have to be valued too—good luck with that. The remark that they exist in different perforations wouldn't be out of place. Or does the trade have stock? I have plenty of stock of stuff that is in the catalog, so what does it mean?
I report that I also found a sheet with the perforation 14:12 three-quarters. The number on the side is also R1111.
That is good news, Velzoeker!
If I were you, I would keep this safe and not sell it!
Did you buy this at the post office at the time, or later from another collector or dealer?
Good day Lars,
It comes from another collector, purchased sometime in the last 2 years. It also had edge number L1111, but that one was 'simply' perforated.
'@AadB
@ Lars
Aad, I commend you for standing up for a club you are a member of. However, that does not alter the fact that they are absolutely terrible when it comes to the catalogs (and that’s putting it mildly).
To stick with NVPH 1733, the stamp in question here: it is downright ridiculous that this variant has not been included. What has been included is a variety with partially incomplete/missing perforations. That is undoubtedly a variety that surfaced or ended up with an NVPH member or a member of the catalog committee somewhere; for while it is nice to know that such sheets exist, I find a deviating perforation size much more philatelically relevant. Incidentally, the fact that PB 76 booklets exist with completely shifted perforations, meaning the value €0,39 no longer appears on the stamps, is also not found in the club's catalog, nor are entirely unperforated sheets of Beatrix and Vincent van Gogh, or sheets with partially crooked perforations of Industrial Heritage. The "I didn't know" argument is nonsense in all cases, because it is known, or at least should have been known to the compilers. There appears to be a significant degree of subjectivity and arbitrariness in the inclusion of deviations and peculiarities, and that does not speak well of the catalogue, and even less so of its compilers. I bought a catalogue five years ago, and for the time being, I see no reason to buy a new one. That reason will only arise once the catalogue meets a standard comparable to a number of genuine catalogues from abroad. In the meantime, a great deal of water will likely flow through the country's rivers.
Aad: “that you stand your ground” of course…
JS@your story sounds like the grass is always greener on the other side; no one will force you to buy a Dutch catalog. If you want to make do with the fantastic foreign ones, fine; however, in no foreign catalog is the Netherlands highlighted as much as in the NVPH catalog—it cannot be matched. If you bought a catalog 5 years ago, you missed the extra sections 5 times, but then again, that is not where your interest lies. However, others were pleased that many new items were included. In which foreign catalogs are the FDCs highlighted as much as in the NVPH catalog? How does classic Netherlands come across in foreign catalogs, for example numbers 1-2-3 etc.? Where do I find the small-round/large-round number stamps in foreign catalogs, and in which foreign ones are so many plate errors included? That things are not included is a given; including everything is impossible. Criticizing a catalog for what isn't in it is all too easy; appreciating what is in it is a bit harder. Isn't it Postman 600 who deliberately omits the 90 Years NLR folder from his price lists, and isn't it Postman 600 who still hasn't sorted out the order of the issued Davo cars and doesn't think to display the 8 issued savings stamps? If I want an overview of Hallmark cards from Postman 600, I am shown a jumble of images that have nothing to do with Hallmark. In other words, show a little more respect for what the makers of the NVPH catalog present, and only comment when you have your own affairs in order.
'@Aadb,
I agree with you that the NVPH is better than the foreign ones. The foreign ones are world catalogues, and they simply do not have the space for all variations.
On the other hand, I find the Michel to be very good when it comes to variations and perforations on Dutch stamps. The only drawback is that Michel depends on information from the NVPH catalogue. If a variation is not listed in the NVPH, it does not appear in the Michel either.
A major plus point of the Michel is their numbering system. Each stamp has a master number, with variations of that followed by a letter.
The NVPH doesn't even use a system! It is a random mix of head numbers and numbers with letters.
Sheets with 6 different stamps receive a master number, and the individual stamps have a letter after it.
Sheets with 10 different ones are given a V-number, and the loose ones a main number.
But it can get even crazier:
The sheets with 12 different ones.
The stamps from the sheet with wild animals (2441) are numbered with a letter. The stamps from the subsequent sheets with braille (2623-34) and constellations (2581-92) are numbered with a head number!
Also the numbering of the different perforations. One stamp has a lowercase a or b after it, the other stamp has an uppercase A or B after it.
It is also odd that they call one sheet margin a tab and not the other, and then add the remark to the 'tab' sheet margins: “without a tab, the stamps are worth less”. But surely the NVPH knows that 99% of consumers tear off those margins?!
In my opinion, the new NVPH 2013 does have a major plus point:
The values of the modern stamps of our Antillean islands have finally been substantially adjusted downwards.
Has the NVPH finally realized that these expensive records aren't worth much and were only issued to line Van Reijen's bank account so he can enjoy a nice vacation all year round in tax haven Guernsey?
Aadb, how many subscriptions have you lost over the past few years, and is there still demand for the news from the islands?
Lars@ Michel is lumping a lot together; the airmail stamps are placed among the regular stamps... Nowhere in the NVPH can I find that they claim to be a perfect catalog. The wisdom you provide regarding tabs and numbering does not seem to me to be of vital importance, but I hope it will not spoil the pleasure of collecting. The fact that subscriptions to overseas issues have declined dramatically is not due to the valuation in the catalog, but clearly to the (sun) worshipper Mr. Hugo v. Reijen. Ignoring these issues seems to me the best option, but then again, that is the case with everything: you have to want to do it yourself!! There is still plenty to do in the world of stamp collecting.
'@Aadb
Incidentally, the NVPH claims in the preface of the catalogue that all stamps from the Netherlands & OGD are included.
Unfortunately, ……
JHA@ oops that's the reason I'm writing it, so not perfect (lol)
'@AadB
I am not talking about foreign catalogues for Dutch stamps. I am talking about the quality of, for example, a Michelin catalogue for German stamps and the OBP for Belgian stamps. In the latter, for instance, parcel stamps are simply included as part of the issued stamps, rather than in a supplement once every few years, although it should be noted that the information regarding the parcel stamps is extraordinarily minimalist.
Regarding the website mentioned: it is not a catalog, but an information medium that also offers the option to purchase something if desired. It is absolutely not the intention to arrange stamps like the DAVO cars and/or savings stamps in order of issue, as that would be a pointless exercise. Incidentally, those same DAVO cars, and even the stamp type as such, are entirely wrongly not included in the catalog of Dutch personalized stamps. If only they had been included, there would at least have been something in that catalog that could pass for a genuine personalized stamp. As it stands, that is not even the case.
Nowhere else but on the aforementioned website can all issued Hallmark series be seen, nor are editions thereof for sale. Unfortunately, stock is limited and it is being bought frequently, but nowhere else (read: at the NVPH – trade) is absolutely none of this material for sale (perhaps with one exception).
As for that other catalogue: it is certainly nice that it contains those blueprints and the FDCs produced and issued by the club itself. That undeniably belongs in there, whereas genuine personalized stamps do not, because surely that is just making pictures??!!!! I do see one major difference: personalized stamps are real stamps that are actually used in postal traffic. Does the NVPH also want to claim that this is the case with their FDCs? If those have actually been used, they suddenly have no value anymore! It depends on how you look at it, but as far as I am concerned, it is firmly established what constitutes genuine craftsmanship.
Incidentally, my point was about the youth stamp variant, and in that respect too, it is (once again) a major oversight that it is not included. But we have been used to that for decades, including with the Cour du Justice stamps on various paper types that are still ignored, and I won't even mention the long list of other items.
So I can manage for the next 5 years with my old NVPH catalog, and if I ever want to know something about what was written in all those famous quires, I will find my way around that too. When I buy a catalog, I want one that is as complete, good, solid, and reliable as possible, so I don't buy it for a quire or for the latest blueprints, and since nothing will change in the coming years either, I would rather buy stamps with that money than scrap paper.
JS@ Well, and let's just say those Cour stamps are actually in there this time, just so you know. We'd better keep quiet about the custom work, because according to well-informed sources, the Oki, or whatever that thing is called, is kept occupied at every occasion at fairs etc. by a certain JS (lol). As has often been pointed out, it is about what *is* in the catalog; what isn't is the nice space for the specialist to dive into. Making a fuss about perforations that aren't listed is beyond me. Maybe the name "personal stamps" wasn't chosen very well, but I wouldn't know another name. People say there is nothing personal about it; that is correct, it is a framework that can be filled in by anyone. PostNL sets the example and others can follow. Making a purely personal catalog is impossible precisely because it is very diverse. A certain JS has already had hundreds of sheets made via the ? and in small quantities these are subsequently sent to the saved email addresses so that everyone can enjoy the (bargains). If these were all put into a cat, the cat would be 20 times as thick. Our blogger Rein could also tell you a thing or two about the quality of the Michel cat. Well, and that Belgian cat is clearly an example of the grass being greener on the other side, also a handy book to carry in your inside pocket! 2x(lol)
'@AadB
If the Court seals are specified in it now, then a miracle has occurred. That would be the first time since 1970. I haven't seen the book yet, but I am now incredibly curious.
JHA@ To purchase this fantastic catalogue solely for a few columns of info about the country is a bit excessive. The magnificent new hardcover book includes a one-off section with Long Bar cancellations with Roman numerals; mint prices have also been included for many (perforated) varieties. I would say, what more could collecting Netherlands want? How the Dutch collector has not been waiting for Long Bar cancellations with Arabic month numerals (2011) and the Curaçao ship's mail (2008)! Other special items that deserved attention have also been included in various one-off sections; this has been done 17 times since 1991. Such a collection of catalogues is a feast for the eyes, especially when neatly arranged in the bookcase. The compilers R. Smit, J. v Beek, E. Boeré, R. Bouscher, J. W. Doto, R. v Domburg, K. d. Hertog, W. d. Rooij, and J. v Willigen deserve praise and respect for the product delivered. Also with the contributions of C. Janssen, P. Storm van Leeuwen, H. J. v Zandvoort, and others, this book has been able to develop into what it is today: an indispensable work that the Dutch collector can be proud to possess. For those who understand, this is not an application for any position whatsoever, although a well-paid volunteer job is not to be sniffed at!!!!
‘@JHA
In 1970, (even) the NVPH could not have stated in their catalogue that the Cour stamps existed in multiple paper types. The second type of paper did not appear until 1971, the third type in 1974.
'@PaulW
You are absolutely right. I should have checked it.
For the record
In 1971, the 2 cent (circulation 87.000 pieces) and 3 cent (circulation 182.200 pieces) coins were issued.
In 1974, 2 cents (circulation 79.000 copies), 4 cents (circulation 71.200 copies), and 5 cents (circulation 74.200 copies) were issued.
Hello readers,
After reading this piece, I went looking for the aberrant serration.
It took a long time before I found it, but now the time has finally come. Unlike the others, I found it on an L1111 at a dealer between nominal for sticking away. Now I just need to look for an R1111.
Greetings
Good news, Jos!
Hopefully, you and other collectors will find more of them, and this perforation will be included in the catalog!
We will do our best. It is, of course, different from a standard 1733. Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer philatelists these days, and more and more people who just want all the boxes in the pre-printed album filled, but well, to each their own.
I'll be the umpteenth in line, but if anyone wants to part with their stamped copy… I am very interested! (pretflat@gmail.com)
And regarding the NVPH… I have some unusual perforations for the Willem III stamp and a number of printing discrepancies in children's stamps. As well as the Beatrix roll stamp inversion in 22 mm instead of 21 mm (80, 100, 160 ct.). Reply from the NVPH… Have your stamps examined; there are many forgeries in circulation. Coincidentally, I have 50 forgeries in my collection! Very happy with Rein Bakhuizen van der Brink's website; I have the answer regarding the printing discrepancies by now. Now for the perforations…. Does anyone have NVPH 19 and 21 with perforation 13:12 1/4, or NVPH 16 with a difference in perforation left/right, top/bottom?
Hello readers,
After finding a sheet with L1111 on January 31, I received sheet R1111 in the mail today, also perforated 14:12¾.
After searching for a year and a half, I now have both in my possession.
I will of course continue searching, but I am willing to part with these sheets for a good offer.
Greetings
Today I received the email below from a fellow collector:
“I am also in possession of the mentioned sheets with the two perforations mentioned. I purchased one of these sheets on the day of issue at the now-defunct post office in Puiflijk, and the second later in Nijmegen. I presented the find to the NVPH. I received a response stating that I had probably measured the perforation incorrectly, whereas the difference is already clearly visible simply by placing the sheets on top of each other!”
Just like me, he also bought the sheet in the Nijmegen region. Would the sheets only be distributed to post agencies here?
The new catalog is out!!!!!!!
They have been admitted.
Who delivers for that price???? 10 euros???
I don't think anyone. But the dealers have no stock, which is why they are naturally priced so low. They hope to get the stamps cheaply this way, and then they crank up the price and sell them expensively.
I heard and found some news yesterday. The blocks of the 2002 children's stamps exist in two types of paper. The most common is, of course, the one with phosphor, but it was also issued on plain paper. I had to buy the first one at a high price of €20,00, but after searching among some dealers, I found a second one which I naturally got a bit cheaper. So, keep searching.
best regards,
Jos Smith
Well, and then they complain that their collection is worthless when the guilder is replaced by the euro. And sure enough, it's finally in there; long awaited, finally arrived, and nicely low-priced, because I want to buy as cheaply as possible—a right that, as a dealer, I seem to have alone above the private individual. And of course, if you set a price of 50 euros, you get a different story with the words: "Those dealers must have a huge stock." On to the next case of something that isn't listed but is lying on the table anyway—bring it on; in about 5 years you might be able to find it in the catalog, and bet that dealer will then have a stock that will scare you, because mind you, they are paying close attention now... How those dealers and collectors must regret having pasted the stamps away and now being caught in the perforation net. But oh well, some collect the picture, others the perforations, or both—total philately, as we call it!!
So the stamp is finally in!
The NVPH really should have sent me a free catalog as a thank you! haha
@Jos,
Indeed, first put it in cheaply and then sell it high. They certainly have a knack for that at the NVPH. This is not the first stamp where they pull this trick!
I advise everyone who has these youth stamps to hold on to them and not to sell them right away!
Because the stamp is now listed in the catalogue, it is becoming better known and demand will rise. However, the NVPH is keeping supply low for the time being. The law of supply and demand comes into effect, and in the next catalogue, the stamp might well be listed for 25 euros or more!
@Lars and Jos I don't understand why you want that catalog for free at all; there is nothing in it, the prices are wrong, the numbering is wrong, blah blah blah, and if they are in there, they are listed too low or too high. So nothing is ever good enough for a junior; every 2 years you had more than enough, as far as I recall.. I would appreciate some examples of stamps that are currently listed high and are being offered in abundance at exorbitant prices, particularly after 1945. I am curious if you succeed in finding any.
The Amaryllis with glass from 1997 with double phosphorus costs 150 euros per sheet!
And that should be the target price!
So indeed, DO NOT SELL for prices around 10 euros!
So today I finally received my first stamp with the different perforations. Bought at the post office of the COOP supermarket in Niekerk, Groningen. So the sheet was offered at more places… Is there anyone willing to part with a used copy?
A while has passed since then. The sheet is still listed for €10, and individual stamps for €1 mint and €0,80 used, if I am not mistaken. I also still haven't found any other copies.
I have continued counting on the internet and, after a long search, found a third sheet in Germany on eBay. I did indeed purchase the second sheet from someone in Nijmegen, but they are now located in more places than you would expect. I find it strange that more cancelled copies are not turning up. It is probably due to the fact that there are many "box fillers" rather than people who really look at a stamp. Of course, there are also people, myself included, who look for anomalies on stamps, but do not just look at the image, but also at the rest of the stamp.
If anyone is interested in the sheet I have a duplicate of, let me know.
In the latest Special Catalogue, the catalogue value of the single, cancelled stamp has shot up to €50,00!
They do not know the value for mint condition. It says -,-.
They just forgot to adjust the value of the sheet. It is still set to €10,00!
Who still has a few lying around? I'll give ten euros apiece for them! haha
It was indeed forgotten to raise the sheet with the non-standard perforation. This will be corrected in the 2018 catalogue. Incidentally, I have a cancelled stamp with the perforation in question.
So, we'll have to wait another year for the value of a mint sheet. Or can you lift the veil a little? (What the value should actually have been this year.)
Hi
Does anyone know the catalog number of a used stamp with non-standard perforations? I would like to sell my stamp.
Yours faithfully,
Linda Dijkstra
Hi Linda
Catalogue number 1733 B. I tried to sell an unstamped sheet of 10 a while ago, but no one was interested. Just wait until the new catalogue comes out in September. Maybe it will be more expensive then.
Greetings
Jos Smith
'@Jos Smith
Thank you for your quick response and advice. I will wait and see. Have a nice evening. Kind regards, Linda Dijkstra
@Jos Smits, I might be interested in sheet V1733a. Just let me know!
'@Lars:
Finally, a full form of recognition for “your” 1733B, already mentioned on Postzegelblog in 2009.
In the 2018 NVPH catalogue, price listings for the first time for the mint and used stamp and the complete sheet of 10, justifying the fact that you virtually never come across this stamp.
If anyone happens to have a stamp or sheet left over: I am definitely interested …
Marc Pijnenburg
Come back Marc
I still have this piece of paper left.
Send me a message at:
jossmits73@gmail.com
Jos Smith
I have been looking for this sheet for a while, so if anyone has a spare sheet, I would be very interested. I myself still have 4 used loose stamps with perforation 14 left.
@Jos, I also sent you an email to your Gmail address because I thought you had a spare sheet.
George Spoelstra
george
I am also looking for a single copy, both mint and used. Could you send me a price (bramarcdotcom@hotmail.com)?
Regards,
Marc
Hi Mark,
I have another stamped copy. I sent you a PM.
fr greeting
George
I now have 2 used copies. I am willing to trade for mint condition.
I am a collector of all perforations and versions, except for plate errors.
After years of searching through traders' stacks, it really happened this weekend..
And there, a sheet with perforation 14…., that required putting on a poker face for a moment. Cost… 1 euro.
Now that is luck.
At another fair, I consulted with someone who also collects perforations, and it was indeed the Vel. Etching R1111.
He offered 250 euros without batting an eyelid… I turned down the offer; the sheet is simply too rare and I won't come across it a second time. Now for a stamped version :).
I'm interested!
Finally, another sheet has been found. Judging by the comments in this forum, fewer than 10 are known so far. Of course, we don't know if there are known sheets among collectors who haven't reported them here, but given the rarity, I assume that most collectors will do a bit of Googling and end up here. The question remains what the story behind the unusual perforation is. It would be nice if that were to surface someday.
Great luck at the Ramon household.
Not one but two found, loose stamps admittedly. But still!
Both stamped in Zwolle.
10 a 13 November '97.
It's just a shame that one of them is missing a canine tooth. But that shouldn't spoil the euphoria.
Found another one, this time with a Leeuwarden stamp!
The date is just not clearly legible; 10-XI*.
I found 2 sheets in my stock with T14! I checked it 20 times, but it really is correct. However, I can't find a price indication for this sheet anywhere; it doesn't seem to be offered anywhere.
I have the loose stamp with the Zwolle postmark, 11-11-1997.
The last one was 3 years ago. Congratulations, Niels. I don't have the catalogue at hand, but I thought the sheet price was listed in there. At least for the single stamp. Usually, the NVPH calculates 10 times the single stamp price as the catalogue value.
Do you want to sell 1?
niels,
I'm also interested, in case you want to get rid of a sheet…
Collect the Netherlands by perforation, and this is one of the few items still missing!
Regards,
Marc